Most people know me for my financial and geopolitical predictions, but they don’t know that I started as a psychological astrologer 30 years ago and that much of my practice is working with clients to get them back on track and in alignment with their soul’s code and calling, as laid out in the blueprint of their astrological natal horoscope. I recently discussed Revealing Your Soul’s Calling with Arizona Bell and Morgan Garza on their Spirit Guides Radio show. You can read the transcript of the interview below.
SPIRIT GUIDES RADIO WITH ARIZONA BELL AND MORGAN GARZA
Episode 79: Revealing Your Soul’s Calling with William Stickevers
Airdate: July 18, 2019
From Spirit Guides Radio:
Today on Spirit Guides Radio we dive into the depths with astrologer William Stickevers about our soul’s calling and how the natal chart is a blueprint for keeping us on track with it. But holy moly, we talk about SO much more: future predictions, artificial intelligence, aliens, multi-universes, and more. Let’s just say this was one of our favorite conversations EVER!
A counseling astrologer since 1988, William Stickevers is well versed in psychological, horary, electional, medieval, and renaissance branches of astrology, and is certified in astrocartography. He is a wealth of knowledge and explains astrology in profound ways you may not have heard.
I will be giving a lecture on this topic at Soul Summit Scottsdale in September, as well as participating on the Ask the Experts panel moderated by George Noory of Coast to Coast AM.
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[Transcript edited for print, from time stamp 05:03.]
Arizona Bell: …other than [events in Spain], the big plan of the summer is Soul Summit and we’ve talked about that a million times and we have somebody today with us as a guest who is going to be a presenter side-by-side with me and a lot of the other people you’ve heard either on our show or you haven’t heard on our show who we haven’t even touched the surface of like John Holland and George Noory and a lot of great people.
But today on our show we’re going to be talking about something that we all all all are curious about and that is astrology and our soul’s calling or soul’s purpose. That’s the big thing on my mind pretty much all the time, I’m sure with you, Morgan, too; we talk about it constantly.
Morgan Garza: Mm-hmm.
AB: People from every demographic and every age range or are thinking about this. So today we have on a great astrologer to help us kind of decode this and dive into it in our birth charts, William Stickevers. He’s well versed in psychological, horary, electional, medieval, and Renaissance branches of astrology, he is proficient in all of them. He’s certified in Astro*Carto*Graphy which we’re going to talk about — I’m going to talk about, I’m ask him about that because that’s cool. And our friend Susanne Wilson, who you all know, says he is the only astrologer she trusts, which, to me, is a big deal because Susanne Wilson is one of the only mediums I trust with my whole heart. So that’s really cool and that’s how we found William. So today, like I said, we’re gonna be talking about our soul’s calling and astrology and a lot of other stuff I hope.
So, welcome to Spirit Guides Radio, William.
William Stickevers: Thank you, ladies, for having me today. Thank you, Arizona and Marguerite– Morgan, I’m sorry.
MG: I can go by Margarita, I’m fine with that. [laughs]
WS: You know, I was just thinking of Spain and the Latin–
MG: Margarita in the house! [laughs]
AB: I’m not drinking a margarita but I’m drinking something that’s almost like a margarita right here. Maybe you’re more psychic than astrology after all. [laughs]
WS: Right, right, maybe I’m a closet psychic, pretending I’m an astrologer.
AB: Well, I’ll tell you, the first place I’m taking Morgan in Spain is to get a margarita and a taco. So, hey… [laughs]
WS: That’s it.
MG: We’re in alignment. I usually choose Carmen as the name I give if I don’t want to give my real name, but…
AB: I think you got to re-evaluate that, Margarita. [laughs] OK, so Morgan’s Margarita.
MG: Hi, William. [laughs]
AB: William, we’re so happy to have you with us. Where are you in the world? We always like to ask because I’m in Spain, Morgan’s in Denver…
WS: I’m in Las Vegas, in Summerlin. I moved here about a year ago from San Francisco. I lived in San Francisco for four years and prior to that I’m from New York City, Manhattan.
AB: OK. I was going to say, it sounds like a New Yorker on our hands here, a little bit. [laughs]
WS: Right, a New York transplant.
AB: Yes. Very cool. Well, we’re very familiar with Las Vegas. Morgan and I both grew up in Phoenix, so we’ve done that quick trip a billion times. It’s probably hot there right now.
WS: Yeah, it’s about a 106 degrees outside.
AB: Ah, well, talk to me when it’s 116. [laughs] Oh, we know…
So, William, let’s just dive right into it. There’s so much we want to talk to you about, but let’s just dive into it. We’ve talked to a lot of people, in fact, about the soul’s purpose and the soul’s calling. So for you as an astrologer — I know you specialize in so much — if I’m coming to you for the first time, I have a consultation with you about astrology and my path and my soul’s calling, that’s my first question to you, “What’s my soul’s purpose?” Where are you looking to at the chart, or how are you deciphering that for me or for any client that you have?
WS: Well, we have a specific technique that deals with the idea of the soul’s code and calling based on the concept that everyone possesses a personal calling, a unique destiny for them alone. And the primary purpose in life, according to this ancient concept, is to follow this calling and to fulfill one’s destiny. This method is determined based on a time lord system that was rediscovered in mid-1995 and finally computerized in early 2010, called the Zodiacal Releasing method. It’s based on the ancient idea that Plato weaved in the mythic form in his Myth of Er, that being before we were born — so the myth goes — our soul chose a purpose for us to fulfill on Earth. And prior to birth, we passed through this forgetful river of Lethe and drinking from its water, we merge into life ignorant of our fate that our soul has chosen for us.
Now the process by which the soul chooses the soul contract is a bit complex. It involves guides, a spirit guide that has been part of our, at the very inception of our soul, and it also involves a council of elders, according to this mythology that Plato came up with. And we are accompanied on this Earth by this daimon. You can think of the daimon as the core kernel to the soul itself that acts a carrier of our destiny, that acts as a carrier of our soul’s code and calling, which is our mission parameters, our life purposes or set of purposes. Also, events, impulses, synchronicities, meetings, and lessons that all have to be carried out at particular points. Using the astrology, we can know when certain periods are more fated than others in the sense of when the soul’s code and calling becomes active or activates with greater intensity periods than compared to other periods, where our life is more fated in certain periods compared to other periods.
And so, from that perspective, we look at life, we look at things a little bit differently. From that perspective, that certain things in life we are required to carry out, certain impulses that activate are required for us to take a certain interest to go into a particular path or to move into a radically different path in life that breaks from the past narrative. And we can accurately determine when these periods are going to take place. And we can also look at the personal biography and see how particular Zodiacal Releasing dates lined up with one’s personal biography.
So that’s what I do with a client. I go back into the past first, then we catch up to the present where they’re at. They can see how everything, every major event more or less coincided with a major Zodiacal Releasing period. They can actually see the dates. And then from there, we talk about the future, and we put their whole life within that framework, that the narrative or the themes of their life based on what is promised or indicated in the natal chart which is more or less a roadmap or an MRI if you will of the soul, of the soul.
So it’s the psyche or soul of an individual that wants to manifest, that wants to self-actualize in this life. And the key, in terms of an astrological reading, is making sure a person is on track with their life and keeping them on track, and then enhancing their self-actualizing process and individuation process — they’re very similar. So, again, it’s making sure the carrier of one’s destiny is fully intact, operational, functional, and not in an arrested state.
MG: Wow. [laughs]
AB: Wow. I have so questions. I know, Morgan, I’m watching you…
MG: Whoa. So where does that live in our chart? We’ve heard a lot about it being in the North Node or maybe the Midheaven or sometimes the operation of Saturn. Like where does this live?
WS: Yeah, so the code itself and all that it represents as a carrier of destiny is encapsulated symbolically in the Part of Spirit, which is symbolic of the daimon which is the celestial spark of divinity that’s present in all beings. And when the soul when that daimon becomes active, we can see it manifest through its calling function as it engages specific Zodiacal areas or domains of the chart that activate certain planets, certain signs over a particular period of time that’s very clearly structured. When that calling function activates at a particular time, it’ll activate a particular part of the chart, and if there happens to be planets in that area, those planets become very active and will frame the narrative of that particular period of life. Because its primary purpose, again, is to make sure that one is following one’s calling and fulfilling one’s destiny. So the Part of Spirit, in a sense, is the daimon which is a spiritual force or indwelling, a transcendent law, if you will, which determines the course of one’s life.
The chart is always fighting to keep us on track. It’s always working to move us into that direction, and the Part of Spirit represents the daimon which accompanies us in life as a carrier of destiny, that activates its calling function, and engages particular areas of our chart so that we will self actualize on schedule according to the particular outline, the overall life outline with a specific time, with a specific time structure.
AB: So obviously self-actualization is a very individualized process, but as far as what you’re talking about, as far as soul calling goes, is there some sort of standard time in a person’s life? Or could someone’s activation period be 60 years old or 19 years old? You know what I’m saying — is there any sort of pattern or standard, or is it really dependent?
WS: No, it’s very unique. I mean, every four minutes changes the chart dramatically. So if you don’t have an accurate birth chart — that’s one thing Zodiacal Releasing can do, is I can just ask the person a few questions to ensure that we have the right birth chart, and then we can rectify. Most of the time I’ve been able to determine very quickly that a birth time was off by 10-12 minutes, they would call to get their birth record, and they would get that verified. They would say, Yeah, you were right, you know my birth time was off, my mother wasn’t right in terms of what she wrote down or what she told me. So it’s very, very specific.
And there are periods where some of the most major events occur between 8 and 16 year old, and that’s when certain things occurred in their family, their parents split up and divorced, and they took a specific interest or went into a different direction or went to a different school or had to be relocated or uprooted, which was actually part of their destiny, was actually part of what they wanted and needed to have as much as it was dramatic or traumatic in many cases, was actually necessary for them to go in a particular direction that they would not have gone into.
So we actually do create a lot of the trauma in our life that we eventually ideally overcome, integrate, and is part of what makes us who we are.
MG: We see that so much, that huge catalysts happen from traumatic events that take us into the deep dark depths of our soul, or of who we are, what we think the world is about, and what reality is and we have to deal with the actual reality of it. And then we change. It’s like a split screen of, this used to be your life and you used to be your life situation, and now you’re doing this because you’ve had to overcome this traumatic or very emotional, or you know grief-ridden event, and then we’re just–
WS: Exactly. So if once we see things from that viewpoint that you so clearly articulated, then we get to re-frame and see how these events were empowering or emancipating, were actually catalytic to moving us forward in unfolding who we are. And that’s one way we sort of deal with that drama, right, that we sort of understand it from a higher perspective.
I think also we need to account for the inner urges and impulses we often feel that at certain points, particularly in you know in youth — youth being sometime around adolescence into one’s early 20s just at the time of the Saturn return. And that has very much to do with our alignment with one’s life and personal calling that’s in alignment with one’s emerging personality. Because the personality or the persona is not fully developed until around the time of Saturn Return which is the period of or initiation into psychological adulthood.
MG: Yeah, initiation. Woo. Sometimes that initiation is like walking on fire and you forget that you walk and the you feel like you’re going to burst into flames. [laughs]
WS: Right. [laughs] When one develops a genuine interest and one can passionately devote one’s life to a particular interest — so the word passion or where we have a particular passion for someone, something, or an interest that we would eventually devote our life to and develop as a vocation is very much in alignment with what the daimon is about, with what the carrier of destiny with the Zodiacal Releasing method in terms of how we look at it in astrology.
So you know, it sort of changes things up. It helps you understand where you need to be putting your focus at particular periods. Certain periods are much more fated than others. It has nothing to do if you’re 22 or 67. There is an overall developmental psychological and spiritual maturity process, but it has to all be taken within the Zodiacal Releasing periods.
So, you know, everyone’s Saturn Return is going to be different depending on where it is in the scheme of the Zodiacal Releasing periods. Some people’s Saturn Return is much more initiatory than others, right. Some people’s Uranus opposition Uranus at 42, the so-called midlife crisis — there’s actually two midlife crises, one at 42 and one at 58 year old, because people are living longer these days. They are very different depending within the framework when we look at the Zodiacal Releasing and the daimonic activations. Are the daimonic activations more active, more intense at 29 versus 58 or 42. So we can see when real crises emerge, and we know how to frame them and we know what the strategy is.
AB: So, I like how you said earlier that the chart the birth chart is designed to keep us on track, almost like a blueprint. I love that. I love the way you said that. So for anyone out there who’s listening, including myself, when when you say that and we automatically wonder, Well, how do I know if I’m on track or not? You know we’re we’re constantly self-doubting. So is there anything astrologically or just as an observer, a psychology person, what are signs that we’re off track? How do we know we’re off track or on track necessarily?
WS: I would say what you have you’re on track when there’s a series of synchronicities and serendipities that are happening on a continual basis that go way beyond mere chance, that can’t be reduced marginalized by rational marginalization. The thing to realize is that, I believe that the law of synchronicity that was articulated very clearly by Jung is very much a major intuitive component that keeps us aware of where we’re at in terms of our development, regardless of what is going on in our lives. So when we’re off track — most people know when they’re off track in many cases. Some don’t, but many do.
Again, it comes down to where the irrational elements of our life become much more dominant, like feeling… There’s the rational element of life that sort of keeps us regulated, on schedule, paying our taxes, being compliant consumers, purchasing things that we don’t need, seeking instant gratification. But we also have the irrational side that makes us driven to do things that are not necessarily, they’re not something you can easily monetize. They’re not things that actually make sense. We’re drawn to do those type of things, whether it’s producing art or dancing or creating in some capacity, or building websites — although that can be monetized — but what I’m getting at is that it’s the irrational and intuitive function is very much part of our day-to-day life in some capacity.
MG: Hmm. And in that irrational intuitive function that is driven very much by passion and alignment and purpose obviously, how does free will factor into this? If we have this blueprint of things that our chart is trying to keep us on track with, but then we’re like, I’m going to go left when really our intuition is telling us to go right? How does free will factor into all of that?
WS: Well, you know, we have a limited range of free will. We don’t have the level of free will a lot of new age belief likes to put out there. That’s my experience after doing astrology for 30 years and I’m not exactly a kid anymore, right. So, there is free will, but how many people are really executing free will to the level of their capacity? You could see this in the gym. People join a gym, they go there. How many people work out at 80 percent or 100 percent or even 50 percent of their potential, week to week going to a gym? They look the same two or three years later, they look no different. So this is all coming down to free will.
You could see it clearly with physical things, but the level of freewill that most people execute, or personal power as Tony Robbins would define it, is very small compared to their potential. So that’s the first thing we need to establish, that most people in the West, since 1945 are executing less and less and less free will. There’s more options, more choices, because of modern innovations, because of birth control and other factors, we can extend and pretend and keep our options open indefinitely. This is a big struggle for Millennials who want to really keep their options open indefinitely because they’ve been told they can. You can do that to a certain degree, but most of that is not free will. That has to do with conditioning.
Free will is actually following up on the genuine voice or authentic being that is that is calling you within. The free will that I see being executed is many people silencing that voice, silencing that voice of what they are feeling called to do or be or refusing to hear it.
There’s two types of free will. It’s not just the free will, I hear the voice and I’m going forward regardless of what constraints I have in my life or what inconveniences. I also see it work the other way around.
So, people have free will, but it is not to the level of extent– it’s within the framework and structure of your overall life based on your horoscope and based on the Zodiacal Releasing period. There’re certain periods of time where you have much more free will than compared to other periods, and that’s an important thing to factor in. There’re going to be times when you have no choice no matter what your free will wants but to move, to relocate, to change your job, or change your relationship status. Somebody comes into your life and there’s just nothing you’re going to do, it doesn’t matter what your plans were, you know you have to be with that person.
The same thing happens when you see breakups, when divorces occur. No matter how much you want to stay in that marriage, that marriage is going to break up. It’s not only indicated by the state of one’s current affairs in one’s love life, but it is also indicated within the Zodiacal Releasing period that you were meant to be with this person and no matter what, it’s supposed to end, regardless of what your free will desires.
So we have to realize there’s limits to our free will but within those limits, we have a lot of personal power to execute. The question is what is the quality of one’s free will. Are we executing at a level two, like I see most people today do? Or are they executing at a level eight or 10?
AB: So, this is just mind-blowing to me and I’m so into it. You know, I’m big into the afterlife world where soul planning and the soul contract stuff is a big deal, a big topic of conversation. So it sounds like you know a lot or you might have an opinion about it. So, we’re talking about free will and destiny and all of this stuff. How much do you believe we have a say in our planning before we come here? Do you have an opinion on that? How much of it we have a say in on what we’re planning our life to look like, and what we want to learn?
WS: Yeah, well, I’m a big student of Life Between Life based on Michael Newton’s research and I’ve done quite a bit on a personal level; I did quite a number of LBL sessions with a number of hypnotherapists who specialize in Life Between Life hypnotherapy. And from all the research I’ve done, based on my own personal testimony of over 16 hours of being under hypnosis and experiencing, going through that Life Between Life realm, from what I can remember which was articulated in and recorded, is the following.
That part of why we come here is to play a part in not only our own self development, but in making a larger contribution to the development of human civilization. The development of the civilization is part of a role that we play. And we’re either getting in the way of that development, or we’re obstructing it or slowing it down, or we are enhancing it, depending on where we are at with our lives. So, in terms of going back, we meet with a council of elders, we have a project manager or spirit guide who’s been with us since the inception of our soul and will be there until we finally graduate, where we no longer have to incarnate.
And we don’t just incarnate on Earth. There are billions of civilizations at many different levels, technological spiritual levels throughout this universe that we incarnate on depending on where our soul’s growth is.
So it’s a very complex plan. We also incarnate with a soul group where we play a particular role in that group, and we tend to reincarnate over and over again with that group. Now some people stay in that group, some people get left behind, some people move up faster, they get promoted. And there’s numerous realms.
So, here’s the thing, I will tell you this. The primary domain from which we all come from, from which all souls come from, it has a certain level of complexity that goes beyond our three dimensional, linear type of thinking, number one. Number two, there are many different levels. And number three, the incentive to grow and to experience those realms, those realms within the primary domain, is so strong that if we are willing to undertake very difficult and complex lives here so that we learn those lessons, so that we integrate that knowledge, we have those experiences so that we can move when we return back, we can experience and be part and participate in those particular higher realms within the primary domain.
So that is essentially in a nutshell, that wherever we’re struggling with here, we agreed it was worth it for what we’re eventually going to return back to.
MG: Mmm. That’s a big nutshell. [laughs] And you said “this universe”. Are there others?…
WS: [laughs] So one of the things is the Council of Elders said, Why would you think this is God’s first time?
WS: Right. Why would you think this is his first time, this is his first universe. Now, there is not complete consensus, but if you look at over 5,000-6,000 LBL sessions with the average LBL session being around five hours, 36 to 40 pages of typed material from the recordings, then what we have seen is that there are multiverses that range somewhere around 70 trillion. We’re talking about something around 70 trillion multiverses that have existed prior to the creation of this universe.
MG: Woo. And that is like, so…
AB: It’s a lot, Morgan. [laughs] It’s a lot.
MG: [laughs] Yeah, my mind just grinded to a halt. [laughs]
AB: Yeah, so this is a good place to say, you guys, we’re not as big as we think we are, we’re not that big of a deal. [laughs]
MG: I know… right.
WS: Right. And in different universes, there’s a completely different set of physics, a completely different set of metaphysics. So we have to understand that whether we’re a Type 5 extraterrestrial civilization or Type 0 like this one is, we’re all operating within the metaphysical and physics, the framework of the current physics of this universe and metaphysical structure. The metaphysical structure, the intangible structure of the universe is also radically different than other universes as well. So, all beings, all sentient beings — all beings — are operating within the same framework. And that’s what makes us all connected to one another.
AB: So, here’s a weird question for you — I hope you’ve never been asked this before, but who knows. So, are the extraterrestrial in the universe just 1,002 — is he looking at his Astro chart too? Like is astrology and big deal on all these universes?
WS: Yeah, sure. I mean, obviously our astrology is solar system based within a very narrow band of stars called the ecliptic, which we divided into twelve zones. So as we develop as a civilization, we’re a Type 0, then we become a Type 1 civilization, then a Type 2 which is like Star Trek, an interstellar civilization. Then Type 3 which is like Star Wars, intergalactic civilization. The astrology is going to change, it’s going to grow, it’s going to evolve, and that’s going to reflect the level of Psyche and the level of of the overall collective civilization that we are immersed in.
So you have to realize that it is not just your personal psyche that astrology can look at. It could also look at the growth, development, decline, and evolution of any civilization. It looks at both the personal psyche and the collective psyche. That’s why we can make mundane predictions about what’s happening on Earth, with civilizations, with the economy, etc. So any advanced civilization Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4 — and the highest we have in our rating is a Type 5 civilization. If you’re familiar with Thor, the civilization from which Odin and Thor is a Type 5 — Asgard. That would be an example of a Type 5 civilization where they are equivalent — from our understanding of science, our understanding of of reality — they are like gods. They co-participate in the continuing creation of this universe which is still evolving, still creating, still growing. They are the architects relative to where we’re at.
WS: So you have five levels of civilization, there’s consensus by physicists about this. And as we develop, as we’re transitioning from a Type 0 to a Type 1, our astrology is going to become much broader, much more in-depth, much more complex, much more archetypal.
AB: When’s that going to happen? So basically, a Type 0 — does that mean we’re just babies? We’re kind of like babies?
WS: That’s right. [laughs] Yes.
WS: Right. So we’re using fossil fuels to basically generate energy for our civilization. When we become a Type 1, we will use the level of energy equivalent to what the earth generates. So the level of energy that’s within Gaia herself, there’s a certain level of energy, we’ll be able to produce that level of energy. Once we do, we can control the weather, we can control the tectonic plate movements, we can have cities in the air, cities under the sea. Gravity is no longer a constraint anymore and we start becoming, we have power sources that can move us quickly to Mars within weeks, reach the outer portions of the solar system within months. Then we will transition to a Type 2 civilization where we actually build the first generation of starships like the USS Enterprise from Star Trek, The Original Series, which actually takes place in the year 2265. It’s not too far off if you look at the larger — I mean just think about all —
AB: Well, I was going to ask you, yeah, is this written in that the charts and the stars somewhere?
WS: Right. We know when we’re going to transition to a Type 1. We also pretty much — well, there is a belief that many civilizations never make it to Type 1, that a certain percentage will self-terminate before they can get through, let’s say, their spiritual or psychological adolescence due to destroying the ecology or through nuclear war. So we are at that precipice. We are at the verge of creating a whole new civilization, but in that process there is a death-rebirth process, a collective psycho-spiritual death-rebirth process. And that’s where civilizations can literally end, through an ecological collapse followed by economic depression and war because they’ve created systems based on fossil fuel energy generation and have never made the leap.
MG: So that’s kind of where we are now.
WS: That is where were at now.
MG: Now, I know that you work a lot in predictions, financial and political. So, what’cha got?
AB: Yeah, what’s up with this election?
MG: Yeah, not even just the election, maybe, just like all of it.
WS: So, you know, everybody always likes to look at it like where the election is and that will determine the state of the world. There is some truth in that, but the reality is that we we have bigger things going on. And a lot of the political populism is a symptom of this transition. And we’re seeing disruptive developments in the financial system with Bitcoin, we see a disruption in new technologies that are going to uproot the very things that our whole entire fabric of culture has been based on — this idea that you go to school, you get a degree, you get a great job, you buy a home, you buy two cars, you have three kids. You sell it, you all move to Florida to retire and play golf all day. That type of model in place for a good hundred years is being completely disrupted by technology, by the emergence of A.I., robotics, automation, where most of the jobs that we have today will not exist by 2030.
I’ll give you an idea of how rapid this is. So, in 1919 how many people had cars? What percentage of the population in America?
MG: Three percent.
WS: Okay, any other guesses?
AB: No other guesses from the audience, thank you. [laughs]
WS: [laughs] Okay. It was about 9 percent.
WS: Nine percent, that’s right.
AB: Dang it, I was going to say 10, you guys. [laughs]
WS: Okay. How many people had a car in 1930, percentage-wise in the population?
WS: Nearly 90 percent.
WS: We went from 9 to nearly 90 percent of the population.
WS: Nearly every family had a car, nearly every middle class family had a car. The wealthy had the car, middle class families had a car, and there were working class families that at some point by the early 1930s had a car. Even at the height of the Depression, because it became necessary in order for social upward mobility to occur.
Now, that was a major leap. If you think about how many people had radios in 1919? A very small percentage. By 1930, nearly everybody. How many skyscrapers were there in 1919? Zero. By 1930? We had a number of them. How many subways? How many phones? Look at the difference in a short span of time of 11 years.
So we are at that place now. How many people have Bitcoin? How many Millennials are using Bitcoin, percentage-wise, in the U.S. population?
AB: Not me, so none. [laughs] No, I’m just kidding.
MG: I think it’s a lot. I think it’s a lot higher than we realize.
WS: Right. About 10 percent, about 10 to 13 percent.
MG: So that high.
WS: By 2030, what will be the percentage of the U.S. population, including Millennials using Bitcoin?
AB: 100 percent! Woohoo!
WS: Probably, right. And that will game change — we will not be using credit cards. We will not be using cash. You won’t be using PayPal, unless PayPal changes its business model.
WS: We won’t need banks, we won’t need central banks.
WS: The Federal Reserve becomes irrelevant. So, this is an example of just one of many disruptive technologies I could bring up here. Many of the technologies that are just like unless you’re in the industry, you have the background, you’ve worked in Silicon Valley like I have, unless you know what’s really coming up, you have no idea of the impact it’s going to have on your personal life in 10 years’ time, 11 years.
MG: So what’s coming up? What’s coming up other than Bitcoins and castles in the sky?
AB: Yeah, what’re some thing that we can look forward to?
WS: Well, you know, what I’m getting at is that civilization is going through a major, major transition. The ideas, the understanding that nationalistic aims are going to change dramatically, our sense of nationalism, our sense of connection with a country or ethnic identity, all are going to go through massive, massive changes.
So, what we could look forward to is a world where we have a certain type of — well, this is where futurists come in, but the world I’m looking at, at least, is a world where energy in itself changes. The reason why we have most of the constraints with money has to do with the centralization of money, but more importantly besides that, has to do with the fact that the technology we have has been driven by fossil fuel. That means there’s a certain constraint. Once we transition away from fossil fuel energy, we move to solar power energy which is now coming online at a rapid pace, and we also introduce fusion technology — not fission technology, but nuclear fusion technology which is clean. And we use other forms of powering this civilization. Then with the fact that we’re integrated with the emerging technological singularity of the first generation of artificial intelligence that will be equal to human intelligence by 2029-2030 — and this is the consensus of most computer scientists at this point — that the whole entire idea of where we need to go to work and work an eight-hour day, and all the things that sort of keep this sort of middle class, upper middle class, lower class is all going to be blown away. Because once energy is so proficient in us, once we have more energy than we can utilize, then all the constraints that we’ve normally been living in for the majority of the 20th century become irrelevant.
Look at it this way. Just like back in 1990, who would know that Macy’s was on the verge of going out of business today. Who would know that many of the stores that you grew up with, or your parents grew up with are completely going under. The whole retail brick and mortar model, because of the Internet, because of Amazon, because of all the online shopping. It’s the same thing that is going to happen with energy, that’s going to happen with money, that’s going to happen with technology.
So this is all going to happen fast and it is going to be very liberating and empowering, but also very disruptive. I believe that the Millennials are going to be the ones that are going to be really disruptive because they were on a particular narrative and told “if you do this and you do that and you get this degree” then you’ve got the white picket fence as you reward. Well, all of that is getting disrupted. Many of them are not participating in that. There is a certain aspect of the Millennial generation not participating, they’re not buying homes, they’re getting Uber, they’re not buying cars. They decide to move in a completely different direction. But you’re going to see the Millennials in particular be impacted by this because as they enter midlife, many of the things they were moving towards, that narrative is going to be completely disruptive. But at the same time it’ll be very empowering and very liberating.
MG: This does sound very positive, and generally speaking, as long as it’s not tearing something down in a malicious way, disruption creates change, it’s transformation, it’s like the evolution of one thing to another. And it’s disruptive because it’s challenging the status quo, right. So we really are — and I think Arizona and I are Millennials technically — elder Millennials [laughs] —
AB: We’re total Millennials. We’re the elder Millennials, get on board.
WS: If you’re born 1981 up until 1997, you’re a Millennial.
AB: Dude, we made the cut.
MG: Yeah, so then even the generation after us is even more progressive in terms of what they’re doing and not even now they’re still very young. I mean–
AB: Starseed, they say.
MG: Yeah. Well, and just like questioning just like, Why do we do, why are we doing this– no, I don’t want to do that.
AB: It’s not working.
AB: Like the two-year-olds who know how to work an iPad better than you, it’s like, what the heck.
MG: Right. I’m like, it’s broken, and they’re like hold on boop-boop-boop-boop. [laughs]
WS: Right. How many Generation Z kids born 1997 to 2020 will ever really drive a car? By the time they come of age, they’ll just be able to take their phone, hit a button, have a car pick them up that’s completely automated, a self-driving car, take them anywhere, it’ll be an electric car. And so the cost of service for that service will be done in Bitcoin. It won’t be done in cash. It won’t be using fossil fuel. So the need for having a car — which is a coming-of-age initiatory moment for most Americans and Europeans, across the world actually — will be completely gone at that point. There won’t be that initiation when you got your driver’s license.
AB: There also won’t be the initiation of potentially getting a DUI because you drank too much and then had to drive. So I think that’s the great thing for the young people. [laughs]
WS: Right, right, so it’s going to change our whole perspective of how we develop as adults. So, you know, that’s one of the big things that’s happening here. Look, education. Education is going to go through a very profound transformation. And the thing is is that education will not stop at 18 or 21 years of age when you get your bachelor’s degree. In fact, the whole school system where you go to school and then you go on to college, that is going to go through a dramatic transformation as well. Because in order to be employable you’ll need to have very, very specific knowledge that you can hit the ground running with immediately upon graduation or certification, and most four-year schools don’t offer that. So that’s going to go through a radical reconfiguration over these next 10 years.
WS: Yeah. So we’re going to see a major change, like what’s been happening to retail is going to start happening to the to the colleges and universities. That’s my prediction in the forthcoming decade.
MG: Like it’s all going online.
WS: It’s all going online and it’s all going to get much more specific, oriented very much towards the type of mentoring and apprenticeship that we saw prior to the university system in 1945, up until then. Up until 1945, we had that apprenticeship and mentoring as well as higher education all integrated into one, which was completely stripped out and eliminated when the commercialization of college began.
WS: So we’re going to go back to that but it’s going to be in a very different way. A.I. You’re gonna have A.I. medical, A.I. educators, A.I. everything. Everything A.I. can do in terms of the service industry, A.I. is going to begin to dominate, just like you see A.I. basically replace travel agents. A very common profession back in the ’80s was a travel agent. Where do they exist now? They don’t. So this is where A.I. is going to come in. So it’s going to be very pervasive in our lives in such a way that it’s going to change our whole approach and our whole trajectory. So this is the world we’re moving in. It’s happening fast.
And, going back to the soul’s code and calling, it is going to be more important than ever to really know what you’re called to do, and being open to the synchronicities and intimations from the universe, on that calling, on an authentic impulse. Responding to it, not refusing to hear it. I think the issue is — which is the big struggle, which I see with many clients — is they refuse to hear it. The intimations are there, but they get sidetracked and disrupted from many things because we live in a very consumer, quick gratification, give it to me now, I want absolute certainty with no risk type of society that has been shoved down their throats from the time they went to school.
So I think by the time they hit in their mid-twenties, there’s a big disconnect, a major disconnect with the world they see out there and what is going on inside within them.
WS: This is where free will comes in. Free will in order to manifest that potential of soul, and not to subdue it is where the free will needs to be executed. But I don’t see enough of that free will being executed at the level necessary in many cases.
AB: Well, and it sounds like that, with you talking about the A.I. taking over so many of our jobs and whatnot, it almost sounds like it’s going to be a benefit for us. Kind of pushing us towards the more creative, spiritually based things that our souls are calling us to do. I mean, it sounds like moving into more of a creative sort of class or a spiritual sort of existence, if all of those jobs that we insist we have to keep that basically suck our souls, so to speak, are overcome with A.I. or sort of robotics.
WS: Exactly. That’s exactly where I was going with it, you said it better than me. So I think the good news is that the Millennials and Generation Z are going to be much more open to the A.I. if they’re going to be able to leverage with the A.I. in the extent of having it act as a guide or assist them in terms of finding who they are at their deeper level. Because, you know, getting a job at Wal-Mart, right, for most people it is not serving the soul.
Here’s another thing I want to go to. I think it’s important we talk about this. There are people that need to work at Wal-Mart because they are they’re a young soul. They need to experience physical things. They need to learn and have experiences that are very tangible. They’re not supposed to be working in Silicon Valley. It has nothing to do with their cognitive aptitude. It has to do with they’re a young soul. They’re here to experience things. They get very caught up with physical, the physicality of the planet. They’re very much drawn into the consumption world because that’s all they can really, that’s what they’re here to do. They’re young, they’re young souls.
The more complex, the older souls are the ones that are drawn to very different things in life. They’re the ones who are going to be the guides, the advisors, they’re going to be the ones who are designing things, they’re going to be the ones who are managing things because that’s what they’re called to. But at the same time as your soul becomes more developed and complex — and we know this from the Life Between Life work with Michael Newton and his institute — that the complexity draws us into several different areas. And there are often periods where there are great internal power struggles with those particular callings. Meaning that the more complex life is much more, it’s much more interesting to watch, but it also has its downside because we have to remember we live in a world that wants us to do something, make a decision by the time we’re 18 or 21 years old, and follow that decision through until the time of retirement.
Now, that world is changing. But I’m saying that the more complex soul is drawn to doing two or three things in their lifetime, or having two to three partners, not a partner for life, in many cases. So this is something we have to recognize that, we have different levels of soul development, and if we don’t factor that in, life will not make sense. There is a need for certain people to experience what they’re experiencing in the Third World.
WS: But all that’s going to become much more interesting as we develop the A.I. factor.
AB: Totally. That makes total sense to me and probably many people listening. And people who deal with different family members doing different things and we’re not all on the same level or, not level but we’re not all on the same level of understanding or what we want to do with our lives, and it just makes so much sense.
So I could do this all day long, you’re such a great–
MG: Yeah, this is so fascinating. [laughs]
AB: But unfortunately time flies when we’re having the most fun. So until A.I comes in and swoops us all away and pushes us towards our soul’s calling, last question before we get into how people can find you and work with you. What would you say to anybody listening — like we talked about we do have a lot of Millennials and even younger listening to our show, or even somebody in their older years who’s struggling with this — what would you say to somebody, where would you point them if it’s a book, a concept, whatever that can kind of help them align more with their soul’s calling? What’s your advice?
WS: Well, first of all, I think people need to know they can get on track no matter where they’re at in their life. A lot of people think, Oh, I’m 54 years old, it’s too late for me. That’s total nonsense. I’ve seen people get back on track and reinvent their life and make tremendous profound transformations in a very short time. One thing is once you get back on track, life works for you. It’s not an uphill struggle. If it’s a constant uphill struggle for you — and I’m talking like, you know, if it’s been seven years of more of an uphill struggle, then that’s a sign you’re probably off track with your life. That this is something therapy can cannot fix. Therapy is very good for many things but it’s not going to get you on track unless your therapist has a tool to give you perspective on your metaphysical underpinnings and foundations. So it’s very important to get on track with your life.
The most important thing is to
be on track with your soul’s code and calling and
to fulfill a majority of your mission parameters.
And one of the things I’ve learned is that it is THE most important thing. The most important thing is to be on track with your soul’s code and calling and to fulfill a majority of the mission parameters that are embedded within the carrier of destiny that is embedded into the daimon, or the Part of Spirit from how we look at it in astrology. That is the most fundamental thing.
One book I would recommend is The Soul’s Code In Search of Character and Calling by James Hillman. It’s not a difficult book to read. It goes very in-depth about this in a certain language that is accessible to everyone. That would be what I would recommend. And then there are other books out there. But I would start with that one.
AB: Awesome. Thank you so much, William. So for anybody listening who wants to work with you, do you do astrology readings or consultations? What can you offer, what do you offer, and what is your website or where people can find you to work with you?
WS: My website is WilliamStickevers.com, and I offer all types of readings — personal consultations, strategic planning consultations, Depression era self-defense consultations which would be a financial consultation in helping people preserve their money as we are on the verge of global financial reset which is imminent, and astrolocality consultations, horary, electional, business, birth chart rectification, and of course I always look at everything within the framework of the Zodiacal Releasing especially with locality when we’re doing astrolocality. Should you be living in this area of the world or moving to the city, not only in regards to what planetary lines crossing but those planets within reference to the Zodiacal Releasing time lord system. Is that city congruent for what your destiny needs to fulfill in that particular locality.
AB: Boom. And that’s like huge, I know. I’m glad you mentioned that because I know so many of our listeners want to talk about that and want to know about that, and everybody does it. Will this be good for me, this place or this place.
AB: So that’s really cool. We are totally out of time. Thank you so much, William. You’ve been such a pleasure and we can’t wait to meet you in September at Soul Summit. And again for anybody who might want to join us, there are still tickets. It’s SoulSummitScottsdale.com.
Thank you so much, William. Again, that’s WilliamStickevers.com.
WS: Thank you for having me, ladies. It was a pleasure.
MG: Thank you.
AB: Such a pleasure, thank you so much. And, everybody, we will catch you on the flip side.
William Stickevers is an astrological consultant, hypnotist, life coach, and business strategist, advising clients from 28 countries for over three decades with strategy and insight to live a more fulfilled life according to their soul’s code and calling. A trends forecaster, William’s annual global forecasts are backed by a deep study of economies, geopolitics, archetypal cosmology, and modern astrological forecasting techniques.
Continuously interested in the most effective approaches to self-discovery and transformation, William has studied Jungian psychology, holotropic breathwork, and Life Between Life hypnotherapy and has been immersed in the Tony Robbins Mastery University, enabling William to counsel his clients with expertise few astrologers have on the economy affecting the client, psychology, the psyche, metaphysical and transpersonal growth, and effective strategy according to the client’s natal chart, transits, and economic environment.
William has been a guest on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory (four times, including the 2019 annual New Year’s Predictions show), The Unexplained with Howard Hughes, Sandra Champlain’s We Don’t Die Radio, Spiritual Explorers with Susanne Wilson, The Jerry Wills Show, and Alan Steinfeld’s New Realities. An international speaker, William has lectured at the New York Open Center, Edgar Cayce’s Association for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E.), the United Astrology Conference (2018), and two Funai Media events in Tokyo, Japan.